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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) About MEOW PWT, VFE PWT,
VFR Technology and Similar Ormus Effect Technologies
Employing Magnetite Sand and Exotic Mineral Compounds
for Treating Water and Other Liquids

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last revision date: 04/03/2010

A Short Glossary
Please bear in mind as you peruse the pages of this website the meanings of the following terms:

MEOW -- magnetite effect ormus water

MEOW device -- a device employing a mass of magnetite black sand which is used for MEOW transformation of water or other aqueous liquids. A MEOW device usually consists of a container holding a shell of magnetite with a hollow within into which a bottle of water may be inserted for treatment.

MEOW kettle -- an alternate term for a MEOW device; term is used interchangeably with the terms MEOW device or MEOW alembic.

MEOW alembic -- an alternate term for a MEOW device; term is used interchangeably with the terms MEOW kettle or MEOW device.

If you wish to read more about these terms and how they came into use, please see the section entitled A Note on Boring Terms and Not-So-Boring Terms and a Short Glossary, on the main page of this website.

Frequently Asked Questions Index

General / Overview

Usage Guidelines

Building Your Own Meow Devices

More Advanced Devices

Frequently Asked Questions and Answers

General / Overview

Q. I am interested in this technology and want to build some devices. What would you recommend if you were in my shoes?

A. If I were in your shoes, I would want to evaluate the technology for myself, but would wish to start "simple and cheap" in the beginning before deciding whether to invest further time, money and effort into the whole thing, and thus I would go ahead and construct four or five devices using inexpensive (but somewhat fragile) cardboard and hot glue construction materials. If you were to do this for a start, you would be able to drink one 20 oz. to 24 oz. bottle of "4 day" or "5 day" treated water each day, so long as you immediately emplaced a fresh bottle of water (to be treated over the next four to five days) in the device as soon as you removed a bottle for use.

Q. At this point in time, are there accepted mainstream Western scientific testing instruments which can consistently and repeatedly demonstrate significant differences between water which had been treated in a MEOW device and untreated water? This seems to be the bugaboo of so many magnetic devices and ormus devices, that there re no detectable changes evident when testing treated versus untreated liquids using mainstream Western scientific testing instruments.

A. Yes, please see preliminary results posted on the Test Results page on this website. The report there includes screen shots of absorbance spectra from examination of such samples of water using UV-Vis-NIR spectrophotometry.

Q. Are the MEOW devices a type of magnetic device?

A. Since the term "magnetic", particularly in the ormus world, usually denotes a device which employs magnets, the answer is no, not really. Rather, the fact is that while magnetite is strongly magnetic (that is, magnetite is strongly ferromagnetic ,and will be strongly attracted to a magnet) the vast majority of particles in magnetite are not magnetized, that is, they do not bear a significant measurable magnetic polarization. In fact, if the mineral ore were magnetized, then it would exhibit rather different properties and would be called lodestone and not magnetite. Not only do the individual particles in the magnetic black sand not bear any significant magnetic charge or polarity, but when they are used as fill in a magnetite ormus water effect (MEOW) device, the mass does not exhibit any net magnetic polarization or charge. I often place a compass adjacent to the exterior of my traditional MEOW devices (that is, the ones which do not employ magnets as well as magnetite), and for the vast majority of the MEOW devices,  the compass needle does not experience any deflection from pointing north when the compass is near the device. I see much the same result -- that is, lack of any net magnetic field or charge due to the mass of magnetite -- when I probe the area immediately surrounding the exterior of the MEOW devices with a sensitive and tiny DC magnetometer probe (a small Hall effect diode) or when I use the probe to explore the space inside the hollow inner cylinder of a MEOW device.

So, while it may well be that magnetic susceptibility of the magnetite black sand may play some kind of role in the MEOW effect, it is quite obvious that the primary cause of the effect cannot be any kind of net magnetic charge or polarization of the mass of magnetite, because there is none.

Q. How does varying the amount of magnetite material affect the device? 

A. No one knows for sure, but it appears to me that it is important that the bottle or water (or other liquid) be completely surrounded by a cylinder of magnetite sand or powder for at least 85% to 90% of its height (that is, the height of the water or liquid in the bottle) and that the cylinder of magnetite sand/mixture be at least 0.8 inches (at a minimum) to 1.5 inches thick (i.e., forming a shell of magnetite powder at least 1.5" thick in all directions around the radius of the bottle.) While I do own and use a  number of the cardboard oatmeal can versions of the MEOW kettles which empIoy a cylinder of magnetite with a radial thickness of only 0.92 inches (in other words, just under one inch), I personally prefer a larger mass of magnetite and a larger radial thickness of magnetite sand, more on the order of 1.2 inches or greater. Some of my plastic designs for the MEOW kettles, in addition to offering a far more robust and sturdy construction, offer a cylindrical shell of magnetite measuring from 1.2" to 1.47" in radial thickness. At some point, the increase in effectiveness starts to drop in proportion to increases in the thickness and mass of the magnetite mixture surrounding the inner cylinder, and the returns become smaller and smaller past a certain point. For a device designed to treat a bottle containing from 20 to 25 ounces of water, the point of diminished returns is likely reached at a radial thickness of about 1.5 inches. While any increase in radial thickness of the magnetite sand beyond this 1.5 inch limit will still result in further increases, the relatively small increment of improvement rendered by such an increase must be weighed against the increased costs in constructing the shell, increased costs for magnetite sand, and increased total weight of the resultant MEOW kettle.

Q. I have heard from five different friends from all over the USA all kinds of wonderful stories about the effects of the magnetite-treated "ormus water", but I have never had the interest to order magnetite sand, or to build a device. However, about a month ago, a friend who works at a university gave me about ten pounds of magnetite rock chunks, bagged in ziplock bags, left over from when they were cleaning out their mineral storeroom. I have not bothered to build a device of the type you guys talk about, but I have stacked a couple of the bags of magnetite around a bottle of spring water for a couple of days, and gee, I do not notice any kind of effects from drinking this water for a couple of days. What gives?

A. Yours is not the first tale I have heard in this vein; each tale was quite similar to the other. My response to these tales is quite multi-faceted, so please bear with me; here goes, in list format:
  • first, you have not told me much about these magnetite samples which your friend gave you, likely because you do not have any more detailed information at this time. This, however, drastically limits my potential to respond, since I know so little about your situation.

  • you mention that the bags contained what you were told is "magnetite rock chunks". Are you sure of this? Have you checked the material with a magnet to see if it exhibits strong ferromagnetic or paramagnetic response? 

  • I would love to know the relative purity of the material -- many rock samples will contain from 20% to 60% magnetite, or even a smaller proportion of magnetite, and will nonetheless be labeled as magnetite by some vendors and researchers. 

  • Assuming for the moment -- although it is a rather unrealistic assumption -- that the material may indeed be high-quality magnetite, we know nothing at all about the presence or quantity of other trace elements, such as rare earths, transition elements, noble metals, or the ormus forms of elements in these samples which you possess.

  • You mention that the material is in chunk form, as in "chunks of rock". The chunk size may well affect performance. Many of us feel that a small particle size, on the order of a sand or coarse powder, is likely the optimal particle size, due to greater effective reluctance and distribution of magnetic reluctance across space in a homogenous, coherent and contiguous fashion.

  • Most of us in this field feel that stacking a few bags of loose chunks against a bottle of spring water is a far from optimal design for treating water; far better, if you really wish to play with this technology, to spend the time to assemble a device which resembles a configuration similar to that which we have been discussing, where the magnetite material forms a thick and continuous and contiguous shell around the water bottle in the horizontal plane (i.e., perpendicular to the axis of the bottle) in a radial direction.

  • You state that you do not notice any effects from drinking the water for a few days. I am curious: what type of effects were you looking for, and what type of effects would you expect to emerge so quickly as to be very obvious in a "couple of days" (your words...)? Most of us in this field feel that any effects are rather subtle and might not be noticed until after perhaps 2 to 4 months of drinking at least one bottle of 3-day MEOW water (treated in a traditional-design device). Nonetheless, you expected to see noticeable results in a couple of days using water treated in your admittedly makeshift and haphazardly-assembled device! Amazing!

Q: Where does the "energy" that produces the ormus effects in MEOW water come from and what kind of energy is it?

Glossary of Terms and Related Notes
First, lets cover some glossary-related matters before we proceed. When I use the term "orgone energy", I mean the same rather slow and almost "glob-like" subtle energy which Wilhelm Reich worked with and attempted to define. And this is the same subtle energy which I and others often reference as "aetheric energy". The latter term could be a bit tricky at times for some readers, because it is my observation that there exist at least 30 different types of subtle energies or exotic energies (i.e., fields other than those found in the classical Hertzian and Maxwellian electromagnetic spectrum) and technically, it is true that almost all of them propagate through the aether, but, in order to conform with 50 years of convention, when I use the term aetheric energy, I am referencing ONLY classical orgone energy. Of the thirty-plus exotic energies which I mentioned above, some seem to travel at the speed of light, a good number seem to propagate at faster-than-light (aka FTL) speeds, and a very few travel at slower than light speeds. And, all researchers in the orgone/aetheric energy field, including myself, agree that orgone energy travels very slowly in most cases and situations within our time-space world. In fact, it is about the slowest (in terms of propagation speed) of all the exotic energies; it is so slow that I often reference it as "glob-like" or "glue-like". So, whenever you see the terms orgone energy or aetheric energy in my papers, I am referring solely to classical orgone energy.

Okay, On to the Mechanism of MEOW Kettles
It is my belief that what is happening in MEOW kettles is that the magnetite and some other ormus-rich compounds are acting to allow an FTL (faster-than- light) energy to "translate" in the water (and in the sand mix as well) manifesting as the emergence as thousands of pinpoints of light per second in the water; these tiny white pinpoints of light become what I will reference as very "fine" ormus particles, aka very subtle ormus particles, which are sometimes referenced as proto-matter. In fact, even at the intuitive level, it is often rather hard to determine which element is present in the proto-matter, as it is yet still so undifferentiated and so vague, and still behaving much more like energy than matter. My sense is that these proto-elements, if and when they evolve further into "dense matter" of the earthly realm, will largely become members of the rather large family of transition elements. It is these fuzzy energy properties which we call ormus properties, and which seem to impart to MEOW water the beneficial nutritional supplement effects which we see. Incidentally, when I mention above the thousands of pinpoints of white light emerging each second into the water, this is a vision which I have been shown repeatedly on an inner level, and after I shared that vision during my 2007 lecture on the international alchemy conference call, I was, over the following week, contacted by several scientists and researchers in the ormus realm, who excitedly told me that the vision that I had described exactly matched what they had been shown on an inner level as well regarding the mechanism of MEOW kettles and some similar technologies.

So, to my best knowledge, and to the best knowledge of most of the colleagues with whom I work in this field, the MEOW effect is NOT at all due to orgone energy (aka aetheric energy) and is rather due to an FTL energy which is somehow intercepted by the magnetite and some of the other ormus compounds present in the sand, which then focuses it somewhat on the water, where the fuzzy proto-matter the emerges as/from tiny pinpoints of light. It is also worth pausing here to say that while some authors in the field of MEOW water have, at times, tended to call it "magnetic water" or "vortex water" or "magnetic vortex water", and have stated that they believe that the magnetite intercepts the earth's magnetic field, forming a "magnetic vortex" in the water. Personally, these descriptions do not ring true for me on an inner level; I do NOT sense any magnetic vortexes at work, and, as I have stated elsewhere, I also do not feel that the effect of magnetite upon water in a MEOW kettle is even primarily due to the ferromagnetic properties (i.e., their "magnetism", to use the vernacular) of the magnetite particles. I note also that several of my colleagues in the MEOW field share the same sense that I have about the MEOW processes as stated above.

Q: I've been drinking magnetite water for a long time and do the solarized treatment now too. Whether solarized or plain I find that the magnetite water causes me to be very tired a couple of hours after drinking it. I've tested as to whether it is the water or something else by skipping a day. On the days I don't drink it, I have clear thinking and normal energy. Has anyone else had tired feelings from drinking the magnetite treated water?

A: First, I have rarely, if ever, heard of fatigue as a cleansing or detox symptom when ingesting MEOW water, at least not for more than a few days or a few weeks at most. It is very well-known in the ormus world that drinking MEOW water can lead to temporary and transient (lasting at most perhaps a few weeks) tissue cleansing or detoxification symptoms, sometimes called a "healing crisis", and these symptoms may often include fatigue and need for increased sleep. Much the same detox symptoms are often encountered when first starting to ingest many other ormus products, and also with certain kinds of energy healing and energy bodywork, with some types of acupuncture, and with complex homeopathy. However, if your fatigue is lasting more than a few weeks, then it is less likely (but not impossible) that this is a temporary detox symptom.

Some of the other possibilities may be as follows:
  • MEOW water, when ingested as an ormus-like nutritional supplement, often helps folks to become more grounded and "planted" in their bodies, and to better listen to their bodies and their bodily needs (that is, needs which help to ensure greater levels of health and vitality.) Thus, if your body has accumulated, over the years, a massive sleep deficit, perhaps from too many years of living life in the fast lane or being too manic in terms of activities, you may be seeing -- as a result of the ingestion of the MEOW water and due to its resultant effects in promoting deeper awareness of the body and of its needs -- an emergence or expression of your body's long-repressed need for sleep. This is often encountered in the early stages of ingesting certain powerful ormus-like supplements, and also when first starting to meditate, particularly in heart-centered meditation traditions, and sometimes emerges when folks first start out on a raw Paleolithic diet. Such a sleep deficit, if present, may take from a few months to six or eight years to resolve.

  • It is possible that your body is deeply resonating with the effects of the MEOW water when taken as a nutritional supplement, and, if your body has a lot of deep healing to do, you may experience fatigue for anywhere from a few months to a few years. This is sometimes seen when first starting heart-centered meditation and when starting on raw Paleo diets, or when ingesting very powerful ormus-like supplements. And, this long-term healing is rather different from so-called "detoxification" or "cleansing" in that this is NOT primarily about cleansing/detox, and this fatigue due to deep healing also tends to last longer.

  • Perhaps there is something very idiosyncratic about the way in which your body responds to MEOW water, and it simply gets tired due to relative over-nutrition with some trace ormus-like nutrient found in the water.

  • Perhaps there is something very odd and unusual about the particular batch of magnetite sand which you used in your MEOW kettle, and perhaps it is having adverse effects. You may wish to try using an entirely different batch of magnetite in a MEOW kettle and observe the effects of drinking the water. I heard recently of a woman in a large city in Colorado who had been hand-harvesting her own magnetite sand from the bottom of a nearby polluted urban river, and she began reporting all sorts of adverse effects from the water from her MEOW kettles which employed this sand. Later, when she switched to using a different magnetite sand from a pristine area, she started experiencing beneficial effects from the water from her MEOW kettles, and she realized that her original batch of river-harvested magnetite sand had been contaminated or "polluted".

  • Perhaps you have inadvertently placed your MEOW kettle within three feet of an electrical or electronic appliance, such as a pump motor, refrigerator, electric stove, microwave oven, appliance, portable phone base, PC or other device. It is well-known that placing a MEOW kettle too close to such devices will allow the water to be "modulated" with undesirable noisy subtle energies, and these may be causing problems for your body.

  • Perhaps there are some very odd contaminants in your water supply; it is widely claimed that MEOW kettle treatment can "potentize" trace substances, including pollutants, found in water treated in the kettle.
Hope this helps!

Usage Guidelines

Q. When using MEOW-type devices, do I need to replace or replenish the magnetite sand once in a while? In other words, does it periodically become depleted and need to be replaced?

A. No, the magnetite sand is never depleted by using the MEOW devices, and it never needs to be replaced. Much the same is true of the magnetite or other exotic minerals and ores employed in the VFE devices which are also discussed on this website.

Q. Can I treat distilled or reverse osmosis (RO) water or other demineralized water in my MEOW device successfully?

A. The short answer to this question is a resounding NO! There is quite a bit of evidence that for optimal effects, any water placed in a MEOW alembic must be a natural source water containing minerals placed there by Mother Nature. Distilled water, reverse osmosis water, or other demineralized or "purified" water will usually not produce significant results after MEOW treatment. It is also worth noting that some folks have tried the tactic of using distilled water or RO water and adding a bit of mineral concentrate (such as Concentrace or any of a dozen other brands) to the water prior to placing the water bottle in a MEOW alembic. So far, and with a few exceptions, the evidence accrued to date usually indicates that this tactic is not as effective as using water which was naturally mineralized, over time, by Mother Nature. One minor seeming exception to this rule is that some folks -- including myself -- have had great success in starting with high-quality unfiltered mountain spring water or mountain well water and then adding a bit of a high-quality liquid mineral concentrate (usually concentrates which are high in ormus properties) to raise the level of total dissolved solids (TDS) even further.

Q. Can I successfully treat dried foods such as dry grains, cereals or beans in a MEOW kettle?

A. All the evidence accumulated to date indicated that trying to treat dried or dehydrated foodstuffs in a MEOW kettle is futile, because some key component of the transformative effect of the MEOW kettle can apparently only occur in water and other aqueous liquids.

Q. Can I successfully treat high moisture foods such as tomatoes, fruits and greens in a MEOW alembic?

A. Yes, there is some evidence that treating most fruits and vegetables, if they have sufficient water content, in a MEOW alembic is often successful. However, the actual results in the real-world will depend largely upon the quality and the mineral and trace element content, as well as the water content, of the fruits or vegetables. And, many folks have treated syntropic antioxidative microbial (SAM) liquids, such as SAM brews or EM inoculant culture, in MEOW alembics with great success. Some folks have even treated fresh whole eggs (destined for the table) in MEOW kettles as well; the results in this case seem to largely depend upon the mineral and trace element content of the eggs.

Building Your Own Meow Devices

Q. How can I evaluate the magnetite sand available to me to know if it is good enough to use in constructing such a device?

A. First, you can assess the overall MAGNETIC quality (i.e., paramagnetic strength or ferromagnetic strength) by placing a magnet near it and observing how much of the sand is pulled to the magnet. The greater the amount, the greater the concentration of true magnetite in the sand. However, for the type of water treatment device we are discussing here, what is of much greater importance than the overall paramagnetic strength of the magnetite sand is the various trace elements present, namely, the exact spectra of trace elements and also their relative quantities, and how much is in an ormus or ormus-like form, along with various subtle energies. Some of the trace elements you would be ideally looking for would be some of the transition metal elements such as rhenium, rubidium, titanium, tantalum, platinum, palladium, ruthenium, gold and silver, and of course, the rare earth metals, which fall within the transition metals group; they are: Y, La, Ce, Pr, Nd, Sm, Eu, Gd, Tb, Dy, Ho, Er, Tm, Yb, Lu and Sc. Lastly, you would also wish to look for the presence of noble metals (also from within the afore-mentioned transition metals group) such as gold, silver, tantalum, platinum, palladium and rhodium. Luckily for the original questioner, who had procured some Chinese-origin magnetite sand, some Chinese-origin magnetites have good levels of some of these elements.

Since there are no really effective lab tests which indicate presence of ormus and ormus-type forms of elements, I find that the easiest and best way of assessing this and also the factors addressed in the above paragraph is via intuitive testing, aka inner guidance. I always assess any samples of magnetite sand which come my way largely by comparing them to the magnetite sand previously sold by Dr. John Milewski, as I use his sand as an ipso facto standard due to the beneficial properties which it exhibits. The magnetite which John Milewski sold is one which comes from a region of the world and from rock strata which exhibits high levels of the elements and forms listed above; that is not necessarily true of all magnetites. 

Q. I will probably build my own traditional design MEOW devices using simple cardboard and hot glue construction; I will also be purchasing a sufficient quantity of the magnetite supplement powder from you to enhance the performance of the device. I estimate that my total parts and material costs should come to about $300 per device. Do you agree?

A. No; I think your price estimate per device is way too high, at least for building the cardboard and glue version of the traditional device, using a cardboard oatmeal can. If you build the traditional oatmeal can design proposed by John, M., using all cardboard construction and a hot glue gun (but using my supplemental powder as well), you should be able to build three of the traditional devices for a total cost of about $325 (and this includes a hot glue gun and glue sticks, along with miscellaneous supplies), if you purchase your magnetite at a similar price to what John M. used to charge (and purchase supplemental powder from me) and if you use only ~8.5 pounds of magnetite/mixture per device. If you choose to really pack and tamp the magnetite sand into the cardboard oatmeal can version, and to fill it to within a half-inch of the top, then you will need about 11 to 12 pounds of magnetite black sand per device, and thus the endeavor will become proportionally more expensive.

Of course, if you choose to build one or more devices along the lines of the prototype devices which I am offering, i.e., out of strong plastic and industrial adhesives using a sturdy, durable and robust design, then your material costs and fabrication costs will rise GREATLY, and if you build it a bit oversized, as I do, then your cost for magnetite will go up considerably, as it will likely take from 13 to 25 pounds (or maybe as much as 48 pounds) of magnetite plus magnetite supplement mix to fill one device.

Q. When I am designing and building my own device, does the inner cylinder have to be perfectly dead center? 

A. No, this not really critical, except from an aesthetic point of view. However, I prefer to keep the center cylinder (aka inner coaxial cylinder) as well-centered as possible.

Q. What if I do not wish to treat large 20 ounce (600 ml) bottles of water, and instead want to treat only small bottles, such as one ounce bottles of herbal extract? What then? Do I need to build a large device on the order of the oatmeal can-sized cardboard version?

A. Well, then, in that case, there is no need to build a large device the size of an oatmeal can, and you can pick a much smaller diameter for the outer cylinder and for the inner cylinder, although I would suggest that for such a small-bottle treatment device that you make sure that the inner cylinder is surrounded by at least a 0.5" radial thickness of magnetite mixture forming a shell in all radial directions.

Q. Well, as a quick and dirty alternative to the cardboard/oatmeal can design, I could just use a medium-sized plastic bucket stuck in a corner of the living room (or basement), with a cardboard mailing tube stuck in the center to act as the inner cylinder -- what do you think about this idea? 

A. Yes, sure... this is fine, and many of us have done that at one time or another, but the only problem is that a single bucket of sufficient height to treat a 24 ounce bottle of spring water, after emplacing a cylinder of suitable size coaxially in the center and after filling the bucket with magnetite sand mixture, will be on the order of 2 gallons or more in size, and thus such a design might easily demand 40 to 80 pounds of magnetite sand mixture -- this can get very expensive very quickly! And, the device becomes very heavy as well and can thus be very difficult to move safely and easily.

Q. How does the type of material used (different types of plastic or metal), and material thickness, affect the performance of the devices?

A. No one knows all the answers for sure, but, as I have shared in my list groups in the past, my intuitive sense is to avoid metals and aluminized cardboard or aluminized plastic, and instead to stick to cardboard or to low to medium-density plastics for the most part. And, for the inner cylinder, I try to keep wall thickness to 1/4" or less. However, the reality is that some folks have reported success even using metallic outer cylinders and inner cylinders, and so I may be guilty of being overly cautious! All in all, I prefer to listen to my intuition!

Q. When I include your supplemental mixture as an additive to the magnetite sand in the device, how comparable would the device -- using the traditional cardboard oatmeal can design -- be to your SM1 or SM2?   

A. Much as I have indicated elsewhere on this page and in my notes to my email list groups, the addition of the supplemental mixture to the magnetite sand seems to render any and all of the versions of this technology -- whether those versions be the original traditional John Milewski design using oatmeal cans, or a larger version constructed with plastic shells, or my SM1 and SM2 variants -- more effective and more powerful.  All of the experimental devices which I have built and use here daily for production of "ormus water" for my ingestion and for research use the magnetite supplemental mixture added to the magnetite sand. Please understand, much as I have stated in the past, that the addition of the supplemental mixture to the magnetite sand merely appears to make any version of the device more powerful. The addition of the supplemental mixture to the magnetite sand, while it may render any version of the device more powerful, does not change a traditional version of the technology into an SM1 or an SM2 version, and rather, what differentiates an SM1 or SM2 version from the earlier (original) traditional design is the incorporation of powerful and massive magnets in a special geometry and a few minor exotic touches in the design.

More Advanced Devices

Q. I own some MEOW kettles and I like the effect of MEOW water. Now, I want to build a large MEOW device in my backyard or toolshed so that I can have my own "MEOW chamber" in which I can sit or stand to treat my whole body with these beneficial effects. Can you help me?

A. Please remember that magnetite has a specific gravity (SG) of 5.18. This is over five times the SG of water and five times the SG of most soils, and over 3 times the SG of most silica sands. As a result of the high density of magnetite sand, from an engineering and safety point of view, there are numerous problems with such a "chamber" design in practice unless the plastic drums are rated as being able to safely retain, when filled, a liquid or powder with an SG of 6.0 or more, and further, the inner cylinder would also need to be rated to exhibit incredible crushing-resistance strength. Of course, if you just wanted a shell of magnetite of 1 inch in radial thickness surrounding the occupant of the inner chamber, much the same as we see with the cardboard oatmeal can versions of the MEOW devices which are designed to treat 24 ounce bottles of water, then such safety and engineering issues become trivial and become largely a moot point. However, if we are shooting for a radial thickness of magnetite sand ranging from 1 foot to 6 or 7 feet (which is far more reasonable considering that the average human body weighs from 125 to 150 times as much as a bottle of water), then the above-mentioned issues become very important.

Regardless of the height/width ratio of any such chamber designed for a person, there are still some fascinating engineering and supply issues to be faced in designing and building such a device from commercially-available heavy-duty plastic tanks (or portions thereof) since there are almost no heavy duty plastic tanks available which can successfully and safely hold substances with a specific gravity (SG) as high as that of magnetite sand, which is 5.14 times as dense as water. The specs for most commonly-available heavy duty plastic tanks show that these tanks are only rated to handle liquids or powders with a SG of up to 1.8 or 1.9; blackstrap molasses, for example, in its most commonly-found marketplace form, known as 80 Brix, has a SG of about 1.45.

And, paying close attention to the preventing catastrophic failure or collapse of the inner cylinder in such a chamber is of utmost importance, even if the wall of magnetite sand surrounding it is only two or three feet in depth, as even the mass of magnetite black sand concomitant with such a depth could easily prove deadly to an occupant of the inner chamber in the event of a collapse or failure of the inner shell.

An Email List Group on Magnetite Effect Ormus Water (MEOW) Treatment Technologies

The Forbidden Science (VP) group hosted at encompasses and subsumes topics covered by each of the several relevant legacy list groups that I had operated at private Yahoo Groups, including Exotic Energies, Ormus-like, Ormus PWT, Time-Space Doorways, Elixir Vitae, Jenny Cell, Radiation Hormesis/Radiation Nutrition, and Quantum Quiet (space effect devices) legacy list groups.

Forbidden Science (VP)
The term "forbidden science" was first coined in the 1980s by Dr. Jaques Vallee, a PhD computer scientist and strange/fringe science researcher, to describe those fields of scientific investigation that the current scientific "establishment" tends to view as quack science, or as fringe science, and as undesirable topics for "serious" scientists to research; those fields include the topic of UFOs and "space aliens", alchemy, ormus nutritionals, the paranormal, overunity devices, exotic energies (aka prana or chi) beyond the pale of conventional electromagnetics, and numerous other "fringe science" and "strange science" realms.

This list group serves as a continuation of the various legacy forbidden science list groups, listed above, that were operated by Vinny Pinto for 15+ years until the October 2019 downscaling of Yahoo Groups. Vinny is a mystic, spiritual teacher/guide, spiritual healer, and a multi-disciplinary consulting and R&D scientist/engineer.

The primary focus of this list group is to discuss topics in the realms of forbidden science, aka strange science, aka fringe science, including UFOs and "space aliens", alchemy, ormus nutritionals, the paranormal, overunity devices, exotic energies (aka prana or chi) beyond the pale of conventional electromagnetics, and numerous other "fringe science" and "strange science" realms.

While the name and description of this list group are publicly listed at and on search engines, all posts sent to the list group are private and are viewable by list group members only. This is a moderated list group. Further, all applicants wishing to join the list group must state their reasons for wishing to join along with their name and general location, and all posts sent to the list group must be signed with the poster's first and last name in order to be published. We do not tolerate hate posts, and we do not tolerate trolls, nor troll posts.

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